An MSNBC guest on Monday accused President Donald Trump of meeting with the North Korean Leader Kim Jong Un in Singapore to distract Robert Mueller’s Russian investigation.

An editorial board member for the New York Times, Mara Gay, was Nicolle Wallace’s guest suggesting that President Donald Trump decided to meet with the North Korean dictator Kim Jong un to distract the media, comments that raised eyebrows, considering there’s no real evidence to substantiate the claims.

“This is not just a meeting about foreign policy, this is about Donald Trump’s political survival. He has said to friends that he plans on taking a win in North Korea to the voters. That’s their midterm message; that’s all they’ve got,” Wallace said.

“That’s right,” said Gay. “I mean that’s what’s actually so terrifying in part.”

She also added that “thinking about this realistically, we know enough about President Trump to know that he’s not going to come home and say that he failed. He’s going to call this a win no matter what.”

“You look at the polls, it’s really interesting because the more that we’re talking about North Korea, you know the less we’re talking about Russia, right?” Gay continued. “The less we’re talking about issues at home, and I think you see, you know that’s true for Kim I’m sure as well.”